Did Russia Shoot Down Flight MH17? Chatter was picked up saying so


Chatter was picked up allegedly with the voices of two Russian general’s talking about bringing down Flight MH17. I am trying to get the raw audio and get it converted to English subtitles. When I do, I will post it here. It looks more and more like Russia brought down this plane. If this is the case, things will get bad. Americans, Europeans, Australians, Chinese and more were on that flight. This could push the World to a bad place. On the same night this happens in Israel: https://acenewsdesk.wordpress.com/2014/07/17/israeli-government-give-ok-for-ground-offensive-against-gaza/

This is the raw video I was sent:

From Washington to Moscow, via London, Brussels and Amsterdam, intelligence analysts will be studying data and imagery to find out how and why Malaysia flight MH17 came down in Eastern Ukraine. The Pentagon has a number of satellites covering the area. They have been constantly monitoring ground activity since Ukrainian/Russian relations broke down so dangerously months ago. Their analysts will be looking for two things: a flash of light indicating a missile launch and/or an ultra-violet trail. If they can identify either, they should be able to track the trajectory of a missile and triangulate a launch site. A UK E 3-D Sentry aircraft is operating under NATO orders in the region monitoring Russian and rebel movements.

If that had been in the air and within roughly 200 miles of the location, then it would have picked up activity. My understanding, however, is that it wasn’t flying at the time. If the plane was shot down, who did it, and how? MANPAD, shoulder-borne anti-aircraft missiles favoured by guerrilla groups around the world, have a range of about 15,000ft (4,572m). They are best used against low-flying aircraft with high heat signatures – helicopters, for example. They have been used to target commercial aircraft but only during take-off and landing. MH17, four hours into its flight, was at a cruising altitudes of 30,000ft+ (9,144m). Well out of range.

The most probable weapon is what NATO call “the grizzly”, the SA-17 Buk 2. This was designed and developed by the Russians back in the Cold War. It is fired from what is essentially the back of a big truck. Both the Ukrainian and Russian militaries own Buk systems. MH17 would have easily been within range. But unlike MANPADS, which track targets using heat, the Buk uses radar meaning that anyone operating it must be well-trained – this backs up the idea of state-lent soldiers to support the rebels. Could this have been a mistake? Very possibly, even probably.

Strategically you have to wonder what any of the possible suspects – Russians, Ukrainians, rebels – have to gain by shooting down a Malaysian passenger plane. One early theory is that the target could have been a Ukrainian military plane. If the missile missed it might have locked onto an alternative source. A bit far-fetched maybe, but not to be discounted just yet. Civilian aircraft are easy to identify. They broadcast a squawk which would be picked up by any weapons system trying to “paint” or lock on to it. They also fly well-known, clearly defined routes. But unlike military aircraft, they have no warning systems. If a missile was locked on, and flying straight for them, they would have no clue, until it was too late.

Israeli Government Give OK For Ground Offensive against Gaza


Israeli PM has instructed military to begin a ground offensive in Gaza

Israel resumed airstrikes on the Gaza Strip at 3:00 P.M. on Thursday, after a six hour temporary cease-fire to allow humanitarian aid to reach Gaza residents. The cease-fire began at 9:00 A.M. on Thursday morning, though Hamas fired rockets at Israel roughly two hours later. Since the end of the ceasefire, over 100 rockets and mortar shells have been fired at Israel, including large barrages aimed primarily at the south, but some have also reached central Israel. Israeli airstrikes killed four Palestinian children, three in Zeitoun and one in Khan Yunis. Also on Thursday afternoon, representatives from UNRWA, the UN agency caring for Palestinian refugees, found roughly 20 rockets hidden in a vacant UNRWA school in the Gaza Strip. Israel’s security cabinet is set to meet on Friday morning in Tel Aviv to discuss expanding Operation Protective Edge.

Live Updates: http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.605590

Is this the video of flight MH17 being shot down over Ukraine?



Actual plane, photo taken by Dutch person before flight took off

This is one Media are going with

https www youtube com watch v=EZFAFTI8ORQ 27 Dutch…



27 Dutch people, 23 Americans on board..So far from what I am hearing

Video and Images coming from this crashed flight. I think it is well known now it was shit down. I Don’t think the Ukraine could have, so that leaves Russia. Developing story. The plane was at 30,000 to 31,000 feet. 295 people on board including flight staff.

MH370 missed on March 7th
MH17 Crashes/Shot Down on July (7) 17th
Both Boing 777
Sure all these sevens are just a coincidence, right ?

Video and Images coming from this crashed flight. I think it is well known now it was shit down. I Don’t think the Ukraine could have, so that leaves Russia. Developing story….

Malaysia Airlines plane MH17 ‘crashes in Ukraine’ – Strong Rumours It Was Shot Down!


More when I have it.. But I am hearing it was shot down

Malaysia Airlines plane MH17 ‘crashes in Ukraine’


A Malaysian passenger aircraft crashed after being shot down near the Russian border in eastern Ukraine on Thursday, according to an adviser to Ukraine’s Interior Minister. There were 295 people on board. The commercial Boeing airliner was flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, a source told the Interfax news agency.

Anton Gerashenko, an aide to the Ukrainian Interior Minister, wrote on his Facebook page that the plane was flying at an altitude of 33,000 feet over eastern Ukraine when it was hit by a missile fired from a Buk launcher and crashed near the city of Donetsk – a stronghold of pro-Russian rebels. A similar launcher was reported by journalists near the eastern Ukrainian town of Snizhne earlier today. The system can fire missiles up to an altitude of 72,000 feet. The aircraft involved is understood to be a Boeing 777 with flight number MH17, which departed from Amsterdam at 12.14am local time, 15 minutes later than scheduled, according to flight records.

It was expected to arrive in Malaysia at 6:10am local time, but did not enter Russian airspace when it was expected to, a Russian aviation source told Reuters. The Interfax report said the plane came down 50 km (20 miles) short of entering Russian airspace. It “began to drop, afterwards it was found burning on the ground on Ukrainian territory,” the unnamed source said.

Malaysia Airlines crash: What we do and don’t know so far

The Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk has ordered an investigation into what he has called an “airplan catastrophe”, his spokeswoman Olga Lappo said on Thursday. His comments were followed by a tweet by Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak, who said he was “shocked” by reports of a plane crash, and mirrored that an investigation was being launched into the incident immediately.

A separate unnamed source in the Ukrainian security apparatus, quoted by Interfax, said the plane disappeared from radar at a height of 10,000 metres after which it came down near the town of Shakhtyorsk. Malaysia Airlines posted a tweet on its official account confirming it had “lost contact of MH17 from Amsterdam”. “The last known position was over Ukrainian airspace. More details to follow.” As details emerged, several other passenger jets were flying through Ukrainian airspace on one of the main routes from Europe to Asia for air traffic. Given recent unrest in the area, questions are now likely to be asked about why airlines were still using the route.

Latest:

On Wednesday, a senior official from Barack Obama’s administration cited the shooting down of a Ukrainian jet earlier this week as evidence of Russia’s escalating involvement in the conflict. The official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, suggested that the sophisticated weaponry that would have been required to down the transport jet, which was flying at high-altitude, on Monday, was likely to have been supplied across the Russian border.

Their full comments are below:

“Even in the face of all of this diplomacy that has been going on, and very high level efforts by us, and key members of the European Union – notably France, Germany and the UK – over the the past month the flow of heavy weapons and support for separatists from Russia has actually increased.

“You will have seen on social media over the last week convoys of Russian tanks, armoured personnel carriers, infantry combat vehicles, grad rocket launchers, howitzers, self-propelled mortars, flowing into Ukraine. On 14 July the Ukrainian’s lost an AN-26 transport jet which was shot down from an altitude of 21,000 feet with eight crew onboard. And only very sophisticated weapons systems would be able to reach this height.”

Dozens of bodies and broken pieces of wing with MH17 colors have been found near the town of Grabovo, according to a Reuters correspondent.

Dozens of bodies were scattered around the smouldering wreckage of a passenger jet that crashed in eastern Ukraine on Thursday, a Reuters reporter said.

An emergency services rescue worker said at least 100 bodies had so far been found at the scene, near the village of Grabovo, and that debris from the wreckage was scattered across an area up to about 15km (nine miles) in diameter.

Broken pieces of the wings were marked with blue and red paint – the same colours as the emblem of the Malaysian airline which lost track of a flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur that was carrying almost 300 people.

President Poroshenko denies any Ukrainian military involvement, AP and Reuters report, responding to a leader of the separatist camp’s accusation.

“This is the third event in the last few days following An-26 and SU-25 planes being brought down. We do not exclude that this plane was also shot down and we stress that the armed forces of Ukraine did not carry out any action to destroy targets in the air,” the press service said.

Earlier Thursday, Kiev accused Russia of involvement in downing aircraft.

Like Poroshenko, Malaysia’s prime minister says he is launching an immediate probe into the reported crash.

ebels claim not to have the capabilities to shoot down the Malaysia flight, Alec Luhn reports per Interfax’s story .

Interfax news agency has quoted leaders of the self-declared Donetsk people’s republic denying that the rebels shot down the Malaysian airlines plane. A reported member of the republic’s security council said the rebels only have weapons able to shoot down a plane at 3,000 metres and blamed Ukrainian military forces for the attack. (The plane was reportedly flying at 10,000 metres).

But officials from Ukraine’s defence ministry and national security council said the rebels have Buk surface-to-air missiles able to shoot down planes at such elevations and suggested one was used in the attack.

Ukraine’s President Petro Poroshenko called for the creation of a commission to investigate the accident.

“This is the third tragic incident in recent days after Ukrainian military An-26 and Su-25 jets were shot down from Russian territory. We don’t rule out that this plane was also shot down, and we stress that the Ukrainian military didn’t take any actions to destroy targets in the air,” he said.

Latest Snowden Revelations Suggest GCHQ Is Just Like 4Chan Trolls



Here are the programs Greenwald highlights:

“Change outcome of online polls” (UNDERPASS)
“Mass delivery of email messaging to support an Information Operations campaign” (BADGER) and “mass delivery of SMS messages to support an Information Operations campaign” (WARPARTH)
“Disruption of video-based websites hosting extremist content through concerted target discovery and content removal.” (SILVERLORD)
“Active skype capability. Provision of real time call records (SkypeOut and SkypetoSkype) and bidirectional instant messaging. Also contact lists.” (MINIATURE HERO)
“Find private photographs of targets on Facebook” (SPRING BISHOP)
“A tool that will permanently disable a target’s account on their computer” (ANGRY PIRATE)
“Ability to artificially increase traffic to a website” (GATEWAY) and “ability to inflate page views on websites” (SLIPSTREAM)
“Amplification of a given message, normally video, on popular multimedia websites (Youtube)” (GESTATOR)
“Targeted Denial Of Service against Web Servers” (PREDATORS FACE) and “Distributed denial of service using P2P. Built by ICTR, deployed by JTRIG” (ROLLING THUNDER)
“A suite of tools for monitoring target use of the UK auction site eBay (www.ebay.co.uk)” (ELATE)
“Ability to spoof any email address and send email under that identity” (CHANGELING)
“For connecting two target phone together in a call” (IMPERIAL BARGE)
Of course, this is not the first time that JTRIG has been called out by Glenn Greenwald for its sneaky online practices. Last time, Greenwald highlighted its practice of putting a bunch of false info online about someone to destroy their reputation. This just digs deeper into some of the other “tricks” in JTRIG’s trick bag. Still, it is rather astounding to me just how similar many of the items sound to the kinds of things generally associated with trolling behavior. It really makes you wonder if the folks working in JTRIG are just 4chan trolls who never really had to grow up.

Full .PDF
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140714/10462727873/latest-snowden-revelations-suggest-gchq-is-just-like-4chan-trolls-with-more-firepower.shtml

Barbara Castle drew up dossier on VIP paedophiles: File seized by Special Branch ‘heavy mob’


*Paedophile dossier naming VIP figures was drawn up by Barbara Castle
*But it was confiscated by ‘national security’ officers in 1980s, it is claimed
*Files listed 16 MPS, senior policemen, headteachers and clergy, it was said
*Baroness Castle handed files to editor of her local Bury Messenger paper
*But he claims a ‘heavy mob’ of Special Branch officers took them away

Special Branch officers seized a paedophile dossier naming Establishment figures drawn up by Labour peer Barbara Castle in the 1980s, it was claimed yesterday. Officers citing ‘national security’ confiscated the file which listed 16 MPs along with senior policemen, headteachers and clergy, it was said. The dossier was collated by the late Baroness Castle of Blackburn who handed it to Don Hale, the editor of her local newspaper, the Bury Messenger. Mr Hale claimed a ‘heavy mob’ of Special Branch officers raided his office in 1984 and took away the file, threatening him with prison if he resisted. And he said that the day before the raid, Liberal MP Cyril Smith – since exposed as a predatory paedophile – had also visited the office, demanding that he bury the story. It would be the second paedophile dossier to have ‘disappeared’. A year earlier, a file handed to former Home Secretary Leon Brittan by Tory MP Geoffrey Dickens also went missing. This has now prompted Prime Minister David Cameron to set up a special inquiry into child abuse. Lady Castle put together 30 pages of information about alleged attempts by the Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE) to infiltrate government while seeking funding and trying to persuade MPs to legalise sex with children.

Special Branch officers seized a paedophile dossier naming Establishment figures drawn up by Labour peer Barbara Castle in the 1980s, it was claimed yesterday. Officers citing ‘national security’ confiscated the file which listed 16 MPs along with senior policemen, headteachers and clergy, it was said. The dossier was collated by the late Baroness Castle of Blackburn who handed it to Don Hale, the editor of her local newspaper, the Bury Messenger. Mr Hale claimed a ‘heavy mob’ of Special Branch officers raided his office in 1984 and took away the file, threatening him with prison if he resisted. And he said that the day before the raid, Liberal MP Cyril Smith – since exposed as a predatory paedophile – had also visited the office, demanding that he bury the story. It would be the second paedophile dossier to have ‘disappeared’. A year earlier, a file handed to former Home Secretary Leon Brittan by Tory MP Geoffrey Dickens also went missing. This has now prompted Prime Minister David Cameron to set up a special inquiry into child abuse. Lady Castle put together 30 pages of information about alleged attempts by the


Bully: Paedophile Cyril Smith is said to have asked an editor to bury the story

‘I agreed to run something the following week but obviously had to contact certain MPs named – from the Labour, Liberal and Conservative parties – and the Home Office for their responses,’ said Mr Hale. ‘The next day, Cyril Smith came to my office. He must have heard about it, or been sent by, the former Liberal leader Jeremy Thorpe. ‘Cyril tried to persuade me that it was “all poppycock”. He said Barbara had her “knickers in a twist” since leaving the House and had become bored with wine lakes and sugar mountains in Europe. ‘He played down the whole episode and wanted an assurance that I wouldn’t run anything. ‘I couldn’t give that and he went away very disappointed. The next day the heavy mob arrived. Two or three police in uniform and half a dozen in plain clothes.


Detective Clive Driscoll has told how he was removed from a probe into a council-run children’s home in the late 1990s

‘They came at 8am, before most people had arrived for work, and showed me warrant cards and a D-notice and something signed by a judge. They threatened me with five to ten years in prison and took away my notebooks and all the papers Barbara had given me. ‘It was a threat to national security, and not in the public interest, they told me. If I had said no, I would have been arrested. I had to give them assurances I had given them everything. They told me not to tell anyone, and the whole thing was over within half an hour.’ Mr Hale went on to be a campaigning editor at the Matlock Mercury newspaper known for his investigation that led to the freeing of Stephen Downing, wrongly jailed for the ‘Bakewell Tart’ murder. But he said it was the incident with the Lady Castle dossier that sparked his determination to expose cover-ups. He said: ‘Barbara had been a long-serving local MP and used to come and have a chat with me every couple of weeks. We had talked about a potential paedophile ring with MPs before, but she said no one would listen.

‘She asked me if I would take a look and run a story from her point of view. She objected to any funding of this organisation PIE, and was very concerned about the speed of their infiltration and the number of prominent names who were allegedly supporting them.

‘Barbara was horrified, too, at the prospect of Parliament approving legalised sex with children, often under the guise of educating them, and mentioned an influx of rent boys and unsavoury and unfortunate situations that had been covered up by the authorities.’ He said she had not been surprised when he told her about the visit from Special Branch. ‘She sort of expected it,’ he said. ‘This was a powerful organisation and she reluctantly admitted she was fighting a formidable foe. She apologised for the hassle it caused me.’ Lady Castle died in 2002. Mr Hale said of the dossier: ‘It was 30 years ago, so I can’t remember the names and full details, but I was sworn to secrecy by Special Branch at the risk of jail if I repeated any of the allegations.’

This is an ongoing story I am following:

http://shaunynews.com/2014/07/13/the-political-establishment-sexual-abuse-case-is-about-to-blow-up-as-i-said/

https://acenewsdesk.wordpress.com/2014/07/13/thatcher-covered-up-conservative-sex-scandal-wow-media-are-going-with-it/

https://acenewsdesk.wordpress.com/2014/07/11/scotland-we-are-not-voting-for-snp-or-any-politician-we-are-voting-for-freedom-and-to-stop-deaths/

https://acenewsdesk.wordpress.com/2014/07/10/a-letter-from-a-man-who-lived-through-two-2-westminster-lies-in-the-past-to-stop-scottish-referendum-or-freedom-scotland-you-must-know-our-history-and-westminster-lies/

https://acenewsdesk.wordpress.com/2014/07/09/austerity-nuclear-and-foreigners-of-scotland-why-vote-no-and-risk-being-thrown-out-and-making-scotland-poor/

https://acenewsdesk.wordpress.com/2014/07/07/theresa-may-launches-major-new-inquiry-into-uk-political-child-sex-abuse-allegations/