Taboo Series: Religion, Scripture and logical thinking


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8-8-2011

By @ShaunyGibson – Used to be @ ShaunyNews

As part of my ‘Taboo’ series I want try and get my own mind around certain topics. I don’t and would never try to call into question another’s happiness, so this really is me asking simple questions. Today the title say it all, Scripture Vs Logical Thinking. I have said many times ‘Religion ruins our World’ then I backtrack and say ‘But in reality it is the people in Religion’ And I am one of many to believe this, for some reason Atheism is now classes as a religion, I ask how can non-belief in religion, the bible and all it tells us makes people who don’t believe these words religious in anyway, strange huh.

I will give a few examples where we apply logic and see the story is impossible. The first one is ‘Noah’s Ark’  The bible tell this story here:

Noah’s Ark (Hebrew: תיבת נח‎; Biblical Hebrew: Tevat Noaḥ) is the vessel in the Genesis flood narrative (Genesis chapters 6–9) by which God saves Noah, his family, and a remnant of all the world’s animals from the flood. God gives Noah detailed instructions for building the ark: it is to be of gopher wood, smeared inside and out with pitch, with three decks and internal compartments; it will be 300 cubits long (137.16 m, 450 ft), 50 wide (22.86 m, 75 ft), and 30 high (13.716 m, 45 ft); it will have a roof “finished to a cubit upward”; and an entrance on the side. The story goes on to describe the ark being afloat throughout the flood and subsequent receding of the waters before it came to rest on Mount Ararat. The story is repeated, with variations, in the Quran, where the ark appears as Safina Nuh (Arabic: سفينة نوح‎ “Noah’s boat”).

The Genesis flood narrative is similar to numerous other flood myths from a variety of cultures. The earliest known written flood myth is the Sumerian flood myth found in the Epic of Ziusudra.

There is no scientific evidence supporting a global flood. Searches for Noah’s Ark, sometimes mockingly referred to as “archaeology”, have been made from at least the time of Eusebius (c.275–339 AD) to the present day. Despite many expeditions, no scientific evidence of the ark has been found.

Now let’s apply logic. Look at the time this is meant to have happened, I ask how Kangaroo’s left Australia, I ask how Polar Bears managed to get down from the North Pole, how did the Moose get from the North Americas? Now please remember the time, year and technology of the time, this is vital here. I could go on and on with any animal. A friend and I debated this lately and I love to debate, many assume hatred or ‘Point scoring’ but all that does is reaffirm my belief that Religion causes hatred division and more. I believe this story could be true but true in a sense of Noah’s time, Noah’s World, his place and his time. Try and do this today, 2 of every species, all 4 Million plus species of Animal, 2 off each and try get them onto a boat that would have to be huge, perhaps a mile long and don’t forget half of every species would have eat the other half, unless the boat was 10 mile long with cages for every species, long shot right? and remember the species that have perished as a species by the hand of man. Now there is a loophole for two species, this would be the swimming and flying animals. There is just no way this fete could be done in 2014, never mind the time stamp the bible would have us believe, this story for me is IMPOSSIBLE. Many have faith in the story and are scared to let logic into the story. I go back to the Woman I spoke to who didn’t believe Dinosaurs roamed Earth’s surface many millions of years ago. There is faith and there is stupid blind faith. Again I mean no disrespect but to believe things logic or Science (I will get to Science) would tell them is ‘Impossible’ because it is.

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Many believe Noah’s ark was found

 

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Noah's Ark

Inside the boat they found

How It Was Discovered

In 1959, Turkish army captain Llhan Durupinar discovered an unusual shape while examining aerial photographs of his country. The smooth shape, larger than a football field, stood out from the rough and rocky terrain at an altitude of 6,300 feet near the Turkish border with Iran.

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NOW LETS LOOK AT LIFE

Life has found a way to live on the outside of the ISS

Life has found a way to live on the outside of the ISS

This one I know people will have an answer for but I am going to take in a whole new direction.

“O Lord, our Lord, How majestic is Thy name in all the earth, Who hast displayed Thy splendor above the heavens! …When I consider Thy heavens, the work of Thy fingers, The moon and the stars, which Thou has ordained; …O Lord, our Lord, How majestic is Thy name in all the earth!”

Above is scripture I have no idea what bible it came from or the verse and all that. The problem I have with Religion and the Bible is ‘Life’ God is said to have places 2 Humans on Earth, one man, one woman, the woman being made from one of Man’s ribs. Why? Why would God take a Rib from Man to create Woman? He is all powerful and all able right? Why didn’t he just put a woman there? When I read this I see an ‘Anti Woman’ type argument. So Man had to give something up in order for Woman to live? or be created? I don’t get that.

It was proven life can live in many places, just lately life was found to live on the outside of the International Space Station (ISS) Now this brings huge implications to the Bible argument. Life can exist half a mile below and in Ice. Life can exist near a Lave fisher 5 mile down on the seabed, life is extraordinary, it is more than amazing. We have the ‘Creationism Vs Evolution’ question and it can be hard to believe either. If Man (Why always man?) came from Apes then I ask ‘Why do we still have apes and not what they evolved from’ You follow? If we came from Apes where is the lineage from before Apes? What did Apes evolve from? Therein we have the ‘Missing Link’

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The Philae lander has found organic molecules – which are essential for life – on the surface of the comet where it touched down last week. The spacecraft managed to beam back evidence of the carbon and hydrogen–containing chemicals shortly before it entered hibernation mode to conserve falling power supplies. Although scientists are still to reveal what kind of molecules have been found on comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko, the discovery could provide new clues about how the early chemical ingredients that led to life on Earth arrived on the planet.

Molecules have been found on comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenk

Molecules have been found on comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenk

Above is Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenk, the Philae lander spaceship detected life on a COMET! How versatile is life? Isn’t it amazing? Life can and does exist anywhere and in any condition. Life has survived many ‘E.L.E’s’ Extinction Level Events and every time, life has survived thus allowing me to write this and you to read it. I don’t have the answers and something I can be sure is neither do you. You have ‘FAITH’ You believe with all your heart these impossible feats in the Bible are true to the point of writing. Every word is believed.

The Irony is, Science will in the end tell is what is true and what is impossible, can you feel the irony? Talk it up peeps. I hope debate can happen here

This is where Science and Religion meet with logic. One thing I will say is, IT IS TOTALLY SUPERB TO RESEARCH 

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Life Can Survive In The Vacuum Of Space – PROVEN


Plankton have been found living on the exterior of the International Space Station (pictured), according to Russian space officials. They think the microorganisms could have been blown there by air currents on Earth

Plankton have been found living on the exterior of the International Space Station (pictured), according to Russian space officials. They think the microorganisms could have been blown there by air currents on Earth

I LOVE this kind of thing, progress in Science and finding new things and ways about life. To discover life can exist in the vacuum of space is one of the biggest Scientific discoveries in a generation. This proves that life can be on Meteors, Comets or any other planet. This plankton is from Earth (They think) but what an amazing discovery. This is why I am a man of science, you never stop learning, things change, science can’t get everything right but when they discover things like this, it amazes me. The possibilities are now endless in terms of “How did we become a species” Were we on a meteorite? Did we crash land on a barren Earth as microbes? Ahh the questions I have. I shall stop

The discovery was made during a routine spacewalk by Russian cosmonauts Olek Artemyev and Alexander Skvortsov, who were launching nanosatellites into space. They used wipes to polish the surface of windows – also known as illuminators – on the Russian segment of the ISS and later found the presence of plankton and other microorganisms using ‘high-precision equipment’. ‘The results of the experiment are absolutely unique,’ said the head of the Russian ISS orbital mission Vladimir Solovyev.  ‘We have found traces of sea plankton and microscopic particles on the illuminator surface. This should be studied further.’ The plankton are not known to be indigenous to Baikonur, Kazakhstan, where the Russian modules of the station blasted off from.

Experts claim that the plankton were not carried there at launch, because they are marine microorganisms not indigenous to the blast-off site in Kazakhstan – but are thought to have been blown there by air currents on Earth. A SEM microscope view of one type of plankton

Experts claim that the plankton were not carried there at launch, because they are marine microorganisms not indigenous to the blast-off site in Kazakhstan – but are thought to have been blown there by air currents on Earth. A SEM microscope view of one type of plankton

Mr Solovyev is not absolutely sure ‘how these microscopic particles could have appeared on the surface of the space station,’ according to Russian news agency Itar-Tass. But he thinks they they may have been ‘uplifted’ to the station at an altitude of 260 miles (420km).  ‘Plankton in these stages of development could be found on the surface of the oceans,’ he said. ‘This is not typical for Baikonur. It means that there are some uplifting air currents which reach the station and settle on its surface.’ Nasa is yet to comment on what this might mean for the American segment of the ISS, and whether similar findings have been made in the past.

Astroecologist Dr Michael Mautner is currently attempting to grow plants in meteorite soil (pictured) which he says is essential to provide food for any future colonies of humans on alien planets such as Mar Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2728979/Never-mind-alien-life-SEA-PLANKTON-space-Creatures-living-surface-ISS-officials-say.html#ixzz3B38BPOr3

Astroecologist Dr Michael Mautner is currently attempting to grow plants in meteorite soil (pictured) which he says is essential to provide food for any future colonies of humans on alien planets such as Mars

VEGETABLES PLANTED IN METERORITE SOIL COULD ONE DAY FEED HUMANS ON ALIEN PLANETS

Astroecologist, Dr Michael Mautner, thinks it is entirely possible to, in the future, directly grow certain plants on other planets, which he says will be vital for a future colony to survive on Mars.

Dr Mautner from Virginia Commonwealth University, researcher recently told Motherboard  that meteorites often contain phosphate, nitrates, and even water that plants can feed on.

To grow the plants, Dr Mautner ground up meteorites to create something closely resembling soil.

‘A variety of soil bacteria, algae, and asparagus and potato tissue cultures grew well in these asteroid/meteorite soils and also in Martian meteorite soils,’ he said.

His plan is to eventually find several different plants and extraterrestrial soil types that provide the best conditions to farm in space.

Dr Mautner’s experiment is currently at a very early stage. For instance, he has not yet factored in the lack of oxygen on other planets, or the varying gravity conditions.

But, he believes, this is the first step to providing the tools needed for humans to better explore the solar system and beyond.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014875207

http://www.crisisforums.org/discussion/20798/plankton-found-in-space-sea-creatures-are-discovered-living-on-the-exterior-of-the-iss/p1

http://rt.com/news/181472-iss-marine-plankton-space/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/11049504/Sea-plankton-found-living-outside-International-Space-Station.html