MH370 was ‘shot down by the USA military’, former airline CEO claims


Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 falling in Ukraine

Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 falling in Ukraine (File Image)

Via a few links and what I have added myself and the link here where AceNews Services and myself wrote about the story: https://acenewsdesk.wordpress.com/?s=MH370 

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A French former airline director has claimed that the US military may have shot down Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 and covered it up. Marc Dugain, who headed Proteus Airlines and is an established author, speculated that the Americans may have targeted the aircraft because they feared a September 11-style attack on a military base in the Indian Ocean. In an article for French magazine Paris Match, he claimed that the Boeing 777 crashed nowhere near where international search teams have been combing the ocean for wreckage, but near an American military base in the British territory of Diego Garcia.

A woman writes a message of support and hope for passengers of the missing Malaysia Airlines MH370

A woman writes a message of support and hope for passengers of the missing Malaysia Airlines MH370

The official report on MH370 said its passengers most probably died from suffocation as the cabin ran out of oxygen, leaving it to continue on auto-pilot until it ran out of fuel and plunged into the ocean. No new evidence from within the Boeing 777 has emerged, leaving the Australian Transport Safety Board to compare the flight with previous disasters to draw their conclusion. Mr Dugain claimed he had been warned by a British intelligence officer of taking “risks” by looking into the fate of MH370. “Someone knows,” he added.

Was Flight MH370 Hacked / Shot down by USAF
Via The Daily Mirror and ZIG ZAG on You Tube

The head of Emirates, the world’s largest international airline, is among those who have echoed Mr Dugain’s questions about the availability of evidence. Sir Tim Clark revealed his doubts in October, saying he did not believe “that the information held by some is on the table”, and that his electronic engineers believe that even with communication systems switched off, the plane would still be traceable. Countless conspiracy theories have been floated in the nine months since MH370’s disappearance, with several claiming it was shot down either deliberately or by mistake during military exercises. Others claim it may have flown in the “shadow” of another plane to conceal itself or was downed in a pilot suicide, life insurance scam or botched hijacking.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-was-shot-down-by-the-us-military-former-airline-ceo-claims-9939710.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2883651/U-S-military-shot-MH370-thought-hacked-used-terror-attack-claims-former-airline-boss.html

http://www.parismatch.com/Actu/International/Le-mystere-du-vol-MH370-671972

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/flight-mh370-hacked-shot-down-4851909

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MH17 crash: Ukraine releases ‘ALLEGED’ intercepts from Pro-Russians and Generals


Real or Propaganda?

Real or Propaganda?

As we head slowly to a certain WWIII, there are troubles in so many places, ISIS vs Iraq, Israel vs Gaza, USA vs Russia/China, US/pick one, South/North Korea, Russia/Ukraine, Several African nations, Syria/Syria, Israel/Palestine/Egypt, lets divert our attention to one issue out of many pushing us towards WWIII

Ukrainian authorities have released what they say are intercepted phone conversations between pro-Russian separatists and what appear to be Russian military officers saying that separatists shot down Malaysia Airlines flight MH17. The Ukrainian Security Service put the Russian-language conversations on You Tube e within hours of the crash. The veracity of the recordings cannot be confirmed but is likely to be real. Here it is *THIS CAN’T BE 100% CONFIRMED*

First recording

[Male voice, identified as separatist leader Igor Bezler] The group of the Miner [an alias] has just shot down a plane, which came down just behind Yenakiyevo.

[Col Geranin] Pilots. Where are the pilots?

[Bezler] Gone to search for and photograph the plane. It’s smoking.

[Second male voice, identified as Russian military intelligence Colonel Vasily Geranin] How many minutes ago?

[Bezler] About 30 minutes ago.

Second recording

[Male voice, captioned as “The Greek” ] Yes, Major.

[Major] Well, the Chernukhino lads shot down the plane.

[Greek] Who shot it down?

[Major] From the Chernukhino roadblock. The Cossacks at Chernukhino.

[Greek] Yes, Major.

[Major] Well, the plane fell apart in the air, near the Pertropavlovskaya coal mine. The first casualty 200 [military jargon for dead body] has been found. A civilian.

[Greek] Well, what do you have there?

[Major] Basically it was 100% a civilian aircraft.

[Greek] Are many people there?

[Major] [Curses] The debris fell right into backyard.

[Greek] What kind of aircraft?

[Major] I have not figured this out yet because I haven’t been close to the main body of the debris. I am only looking where the first bodies began to fall. There are the remnants of inner brackets, chairs and bodies there.

[Greek] I see. Any weaponry there?

[Major] Nothing at all. Civilian things, medical bits and bobs, towels, toilet paper.

[Greek] Any documents?

[Major] Yes. From an Indonesian student. From Thompson University [curses].

Third recording

[Male voice, identified as a fighter] Regarding the plane shot down in the area of Snezhnoye-Torez. It’s a civilian one. Fell down near Grabovo. There are lots of corpses of women and children. The Cossacks are out there looking at all this.

They say on TV it’s a Ukrainian AN-26 transport plane, but they say it’s got Malaysia Airlines written on the plane. What was it doing in Ukrainian territory?

[Male voice, identified as Cossack commander Nikolai Kozitsyn] That means they were carrying spies. They shouldn’t be [curses] flying. There is a war going on.

Putin, bring our son home – mother’s plea as pro-Russians load stolen bodies onto trains


Grieving family and Armed rebels stole the bodies from emergency workers

Grieving family and Armed rebels stole the bodies from emergency workers

The bodies have been loaded onto a refrigerated freight train, standing in rebel-held Torez station, nine miles from the crash site. It is believed they will be transported to an unknown location later, which could be Donetsk. Alexander Borodai, the self-styled Prime Minister for the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic, also admitted to holding the plane’s black boxes. He said he is guarding them personally and will hand them over to the International Civil Aviation Organization. The news comes as a distraught mother of one of the victims pleads to Russian President Vladimir Putin to release the bodies to victims’ families. The site where the Malaysia Airlines flight crashed has been one of chaos ever since it was brought down.

Mother Seline Fredricksz and her husband Robertt begged Putin to return the bodies

Mother Seline Fredricksz and her husband Robertt begged Putin to return the bodies

Reports of drunk rebels firing shots at international investigators as they stepped outside the strict search parameters follow sight of looters seen stealing from the dead at the site. Rebel leader Alexander Borodai said: “The bodies will go nowhere until experts arrive.” Borodai said he was expecting a team of 12 Malaysian experts and that he was disappointed at how long they had taken to arrive. The rapid-fire developments came after a wave of international outrage over how the bodies of plane crash victims were being handled and amid fears that the armed rebels who control the territory where the plane came down could be tampering with the evidence. Ukraine says Russia has been sending sophisticated arms to the rebels, a charge that Moscow denies. Journalists saw reeking bodies baking in the summer heat on Saturday, piled into body bags by the side of the road or still sprawled where they landed in the verdant farmland in eastern Ukraine after their plane was shot out of the sky.

A woman holds her nose as the smell of rotting bodies comes out of the train

A woman holds her nose as the smell of rotting bodies comes out of the train

By this morning, journalists saw no bodies and no armed rebels at the crash site. Emergency workers were searching the sprawling fields only for body parts. Alexander Pilyushny, an emergency worker combing the crash site for body parts Sunday, said it took rebels several hours Saturday to cart away the bodies. He said he and other workers had no choice but to hand them over.  He added: “They are armed and we are not.”  Nataliya Khuruzhaya, a duty officer at the train station in Torez, said emergency workers loaded plane victims’ bodies Sunday into five sealed, refrigerated train cars.  The chilled cars were provided by the Ukrainian state railway.

In total 196 bodies are thought to be on the train

In total 196 bodies are thought to be on the train

Grieving Silene Fredricksz and her husband Robertt have begged Vladimir Putin to ensure the safe return of her son and his girlfriend. Bryce Fredricksz, 23, and Daisy Oehlers, 20, were two of the 192 Dutch nationals killed in the Malaysia Airlines flight on Thursday. Mrs Fredricksz said: “They were 23 and 20 years old. They are laying there somewhere on the floor. I don’t know where they are. “I want to arrange their funeral and I can’t. I don’t know where they are. I want them back. I want my children back. Look at those people. They’re beautiful. “They have to come back. Mr Putin, send them home. Send them home. Please.” Meanwhile DAvid Cameron, German chanellor Angela Merkel and French president Francois Hollande are ready to impose tougher sanctions on Russia to try and halt separatists bringing terror to Ukraine.

Dutch Fury As MH17 Bodies ‘Dragged Around’


The Netherlands expresses anger as the country grieves for its 192 nationals killed by “murderers” when the plane was shot down.

Troops look over the scene

Troops look over the scene

The Netherlands has asked for help bringing home the bodies of the 192 Dutch nationals killed when Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down over Ukraine. Dutch Foreign Minister Frans Timmermans told Ukraine’s President Petro Poroshenko that his country was “angry” and “furious” by reports of bodies being dragged around the site in Grabovo, Donetsk. “We are already shocked by the news we got today of bodies being dragged around, of the site not being treated properly,” he said. Ukrainian officials accused pro-Russian separatists of taking bodies from the scene of the crash before emergency services personnel began officially collecting them on Saturday. The Netherlands is in mourning and at Schiphol Airport, where flight MH17 took off on Thursday afternoon, the families of those on board and other well-wishers have been laying flowers and paying tribute. For now, the relatives have nowhere else to go and, although it has been suggested they could be flown out to the crash site, Malaysia Airlines commercial director Hugh Dunleavy told Sky News it was unlikely as it is not possible to guarantee them safe passage.

A miniature pair of clogs left amongst the tributes at Schiphol

A miniature pair of clogs left amongst the tributes at Schiphol

The front page of one of the Dutch newspapers in the wake of the downing of the Malaysia Airlines jet shows a picture of pro-Russian fighters with the headline: “Murderers!” And a headline in another newspaper reads: “Everybody knows somebody”. One mourner who arrived at the airport to pay her respects underlined that fact, telling Sky News: “It’s unfair what’s happened, these people don’t deserve it. “Close family? No, but my cousin, his friend at school, his family were all on board the plane.” Churches have opened books of condolences for those who have died, and services have been held across the country. As the relatives come to terms with their loss, the process of formally identifying the dead continues. Forensic teams are fanning out across the country to collect material, including DNA samples, that will help positively identify the remains.

Police said 40 pairs of detectives from the National Forensic Investigations Team would be visiting relatives in the coming days. Mr Timmermans said the Netherlands would not stop until those responsible for the deaths of so many citizens were brought to justice. “Once we have the proof, we will not stop before the people are brought to justice,” he said. “Not just the people who pulled the trigger but also those who made it possible. I think the international community needs to step up its efforts in this respect.”

http://www.lbc.co.uk/dutch-fury-as-mh17-bodies-dragged-around-94070

http://www.wnd.com/2014/07/dutch-fury-as-mh17-bodies-dragged-around/

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-07-19/minister-furious-over-claims-bodies-dragged-around-near-mh17-crash-site/

http://expat.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=610336

UK – Russia 'Must Reflect' On Shooting Down Of Plane


L-R: Britons Richard Mayne, Ben Pocock, Glenn Thomas and Liam Sweeney were amount UK people on board

L-R: Britons Richard Mayne, Ben Pocock, Glenn Thomas and Liam Sweeney were amount UK people on board

Britain says “searching questions” must be asked, as it emerges a quarter of the 298 people on board the downed jet were children.

Britain has said it is “clear” where responsibility for the shooting down of a passenger plane with 298 people on board lies, saying Russia must “reflect carefully on the situation it has created”. Peter Wilson, the UK’s representative to the UN, told a Security Council meeting “searching questions” need to be asked, adding: “Let us hear clear and unequivocal condemnation of the attack from Russia.” It came as 80 children were confirmed among the victims of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, which was brought down over Ukraine. Some 10 Britons were killed, including two football fans who were travelling to see their team play in New Zealand. The UN demanded a “full, thorough and independent international investigation” into what caused the crash, as the row over who was responsible intensified. The US believes the aircraft was hit by a missile launched from an area of eastern Ukraine held by pro-Russian separatists.

The plane coming down 

Samantha Power, Washington’s ambassador to the UN, said that hours before the disaster, rebels were spotted with a ground-to-air missile system close to where the plane came down. “It is unlikely the separatists could effectively operate that system without assistance from knowledgeable personnel, thus we cannot rule out technical assistance from Russia,” she added. However, the Russian defence ministry reportedly pointed the finger at its neighbour, saying it picked up radar activity from a Ukrainian Buk missile system south of Donetsk when the aircraft came down.  The plane, a Boeing 777, was heading from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur at an altitude of 33,000ft (10,000m) when contact was lost on Thursday afternoon, close to the border with Russia. It crashed near the village of Grabovo, Donetsk, in an area where Ukrainian forces have been fighting the rebels. Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said the crash was an “act of terrorism”, as the country’s security service released what it claimed was a recording of an intercepted phone call between two Russian military intelligence officers, discussing the downing of the plane.

(File Photo) L-R: Britons Richard Mayne, Ben Pocock, Glenn Thomas and Liam Sweeney were amount UK people on board

(File Photo) L-R: Britons Richard Mayne, Ben Pocock, Glenn Thomas and Liam Sweeney were amount UK people on board

In an unverified video apparently taken moments after the plane was hit, a man thought to be a pro-Russian rebel boasts: “Wow, that was a blast.” However, Russian President Vladimir Putin, who called for a ceasefire between the warring sides in the months-long conflict, said: “The state over whose territory this occurred bears responsibility.” Meanwhile, Sky’ News Katie Stallard said Igor Strelkov, the commander of the pro-Russian Donetsk People’s Republic, appeared to have referred to the incident on social media.  In one deleted message recovered by Sky News, he allegedly wrote: “We warned you not to fly over our sky.” The cockpit and one of the turbines were found over half a mile apart, and residents said the tail was six miles away, indicating the aircraft most likely broke up before hitting the ground. Many of the bodies strewn across the fields were largely intact, some of them still strapped into their seats.  Pro-Russian separatists said they found one of the “black box” recorders, while rescue workers have recovered a second flight recorder. Malaysia Airlines, still reeling from the loss of flight MH370, has said the route taken by flight MH17 had been declared safe by civil aviation authorities

Is this the video of flight MH17 being shot down over Ukraine?



Actual plane, photo taken by Dutch person before flight took off

This is one Media are going with

https www youtube com watch v=EZFAFTI8ORQ 27 Dutch…



27 Dutch people, 23 Americans on board..So far from what I am hearing

Video and Images coming from this crashed flight. I think it is well known now it was shit down. I Don’t think the Ukraine could have, so that leaves Russia. Developing story. The plane was at 30,000 to 31,000 feet. 295 people on board including flight staff.

MH370 missed on March 7th
MH17 Crashes/Shot Down on July (7) 17th
Both Boing 777
Sure all these sevens are just a coincidence, right ?

Video and Images coming from this crashed flight. I think it is well known now it was shit down. I Don’t think the Ukraine could have, so that leaves Russia. Developing story….

Malaysia Airlines plane MH17 ‘crashes in Ukraine’ – Strong Rumours It Was Shot Down!


More when I have it.. But I am hearing it was shot down

Malaysia Airlines plane MH17 ‘crashes in Ukraine’


A Malaysian passenger aircraft crashed after being shot down near the Russian border in eastern Ukraine on Thursday, according to an adviser to Ukraine’s Interior Minister. There were 295 people on board. The commercial Boeing airliner was flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, a source told the Interfax news agency.

Anton Gerashenko, an aide to the Ukrainian Interior Minister, wrote on his Facebook page that the plane was flying at an altitude of 33,000 feet over eastern Ukraine when it was hit by a missile fired from a Buk launcher and crashed near the city of Donetsk – a stronghold of pro-Russian rebels. A similar launcher was reported by journalists near the eastern Ukrainian town of Snizhne earlier today. The system can fire missiles up to an altitude of 72,000 feet. The aircraft involved is understood to be a Boeing 777 with flight number MH17, which departed from Amsterdam at 12.14am local time, 15 minutes later than scheduled, according to flight records.

It was expected to arrive in Malaysia at 6:10am local time, but did not enter Russian airspace when it was expected to, a Russian aviation source told Reuters. The Interfax report said the plane came down 50 km (20 miles) short of entering Russian airspace. It “began to drop, afterwards it was found burning on the ground on Ukrainian territory,” the unnamed source said.

Malaysia Airlines crash: What we do and don’t know so far

The Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk has ordered an investigation into what he has called an “airplan catastrophe”, his spokeswoman Olga Lappo said on Thursday. His comments were followed by a tweet by Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak, who said he was “shocked” by reports of a plane crash, and mirrored that an investigation was being launched into the incident immediately.

A separate unnamed source in the Ukrainian security apparatus, quoted by Interfax, said the plane disappeared from radar at a height of 10,000 metres after which it came down near the town of Shakhtyorsk. Malaysia Airlines posted a tweet on its official account confirming it had “lost contact of MH17 from Amsterdam”. “The last known position was over Ukrainian airspace. More details to follow.” As details emerged, several other passenger jets were flying through Ukrainian airspace on one of the main routes from Europe to Asia for air traffic. Given recent unrest in the area, questions are now likely to be asked about why airlines were still using the route.

Latest:

On Wednesday, a senior official from Barack Obama’s administration cited the shooting down of a Ukrainian jet earlier this week as evidence of Russia’s escalating involvement in the conflict. The official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, suggested that the sophisticated weaponry that would have been required to down the transport jet, which was flying at high-altitude, on Monday, was likely to have been supplied across the Russian border.

Their full comments are below:

“Even in the face of all of this diplomacy that has been going on, and very high level efforts by us, and key members of the European Union – notably France, Germany and the UK – over the the past month the flow of heavy weapons and support for separatists from Russia has actually increased.

“You will have seen on social media over the last week convoys of Russian tanks, armoured personnel carriers, infantry combat vehicles, grad rocket launchers, howitzers, self-propelled mortars, flowing into Ukraine. On 14 July the Ukrainian’s lost an AN-26 transport jet which was shot down from an altitude of 21,000 feet with eight crew onboard. And only very sophisticated weapons systems would be able to reach this height.”

Dozens of bodies and broken pieces of wing with MH17 colors have been found near the town of Grabovo, according to a Reuters correspondent.

Dozens of bodies were scattered around the smouldering wreckage of a passenger jet that crashed in eastern Ukraine on Thursday, a Reuters reporter said.

An emergency services rescue worker said at least 100 bodies had so far been found at the scene, near the village of Grabovo, and that debris from the wreckage was scattered across an area up to about 15km (nine miles) in diameter.

Broken pieces of the wings were marked with blue and red paint – the same colours as the emblem of the Malaysian airline which lost track of a flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur that was carrying almost 300 people.

President Poroshenko denies any Ukrainian military involvement, AP and Reuters report, responding to a leader of the separatist camp’s accusation.

“This is the third event in the last few days following An-26 and SU-25 planes being brought down. We do not exclude that this plane was also shot down and we stress that the armed forces of Ukraine did not carry out any action to destroy targets in the air,” the press service said.

Earlier Thursday, Kiev accused Russia of involvement in downing aircraft.

Like Poroshenko, Malaysia’s prime minister says he is launching an immediate probe into the reported crash.

ebels claim not to have the capabilities to shoot down the Malaysia flight, Alec Luhn reports per Interfax’s story .

Interfax news agency has quoted leaders of the self-declared Donetsk people’s republic denying that the rebels shot down the Malaysian airlines plane. A reported member of the republic’s security council said the rebels only have weapons able to shoot down a plane at 3,000 metres and blamed Ukrainian military forces for the attack. (The plane was reportedly flying at 10,000 metres).

But officials from Ukraine’s defence ministry and national security council said the rebels have Buk surface-to-air missiles able to shoot down planes at such elevations and suggested one was used in the attack.

Ukraine’s President Petro Poroshenko called for the creation of a commission to investigate the accident.

“This is the third tragic incident in recent days after Ukrainian military An-26 and Su-25 jets were shot down from Russian territory. We don’t rule out that this plane was also shot down, and we stress that the Ukrainian military didn’t take any actions to destroy targets in the air,” he said.